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And not only that. It has been found in at least one study done by the UDAHO Committee of Psychological Inquiry that all men, not just documented homosexuals, have a minimum of 1 homosexual thought or compulsion every hour of the conscious and unconscious day. Now knowing this to be true, why would we ever allow such an additional temptation, like the ability for a male to marry a male to slip into the homes of otherwise healthy, normal families. The same study reportedly found that all women have an average of 3 or more homosexual thoughts every hour. If we allow homosexuals the moral privilege of marriage, what's to keep anyone, including the authors of these blogs from going out and establishing a promiscuous, monogamous homosexual relationship that blossoms into an unholy union between two people with the same number of chromosomes? Ask yourself if this is not true.

This is the best summary of the subject I have seen to date. I applaud your citing of references, rather than the too frequent use of anecdotal evidence from both sides.

Well, no one said you had to be a conservative mormon to post on a blog titled "mormonsandscience".

The argument that there is more heterosexual than homosexual infidelity is a moot issue given that there are vastly more heterosexuals than homosexuals.

As for the number of partners among heterosexuals, a 1989 University of Chicago study estimated that the number of sexual partners after age 18 in the US population is 7.15 for those who marry, and only 8.67 for those who never marry (Source: Adult Sexual Behavior in 1989: Numbers of Partners, Frequency and Risk, presented in 1990 to the American Association for the Advancement of Science.)

Clearly heterosexuals have far fewer sexual partners.

Two things I notice with your post. #1 - You cite six references. 4 of them are more than 20 years old. AgapePress is a Christian source and clearly biased against gay marriage.

Your reference of After The Ball is a red herring and taken out of context. Because the only marriage allowed at that time (this book published in 1990) was heterosexual marriage, of course any gay man (or woman) who was married and decided stop denying their sexuality is going to be considered a cheater. Where are your statistics surrounding heterosexuality and promiscuity?

#2 - You quote a HUGE misconception that is often cited. Our nation, being the United States of America, was NOT founded on Judeo-Christian values. In fact, they went so far as to say that including any of these values as a basis for building a country would be a sure sign of failure.

For example, Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. He was fascinated by religion, however, I submit the following: "With his scientific bent, Jefferson sought to organize his thoughts on religion. He rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus." (http://nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm)

John Adams was Unitarian and also rejected many of the claims of Christian claims. I submit the following: "Adams was raised a Congregationalist, but ultimately rejected many fundamental doctrines of conventional Christianity, such as the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus, becoming a Unitarian. In his youth, Adams' father urged him to become a minister, but Adams refused, considering the practice of law to be a more noble calling." (http://www.adherents.com/people/pa/John_Adams.html)

How about Benjamin Franklin? I submit: "Benjamin Franklin was even less religious than Washington and Jefferson. Franklin was an egotist. Franklin was someone who believed far more in himself than he could possibly have believed have believed in the divinity of Christ, which he didn't." (Rick Shenkman, "An Interview with Jon Butler ... Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?" http://hnn.us/articles/9144.html; as cited from http://www.adherents.com/people/pf/Benjamin_Franklin.html)

I could go on. The point is that our nation was based on rather secular ideas.

My final point is that you made the following statement: "To the homosexual community I say, if this is not what you want or are willing to commit to, then leave marriage alone!"

I submit that by fighting for marriage equality, this is EXACTLY what the homosexual community is attempting to commit to.

I dare say of the committed homosexual and heterosexual monogamous relationships I am aware of, which are many, the homosexual relationships are the most committed to their fidelity with each other.

I challenge you to find an anti-gay marriage that is not based on fear, misconception or religious belief. I daresay you can't. Therefore there I find no sufficient cause to believe that gay marriage should not be legalized and DOMA repealed.

JBsaxman has just given us the typical counter arguments from the homosexual lobby playbook. An attempt to recast America as a secular nation founded solely on secular principles. Typical historical revisionism.

Really, Dave?

Did Christ speak at all of homosexuality? Nothing in the 4 gospels mentions it. Who did? Paul.

HUGE difference, if you take the time to do your research. Having a PHD from the Y I would think you might be a bit more informed.

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"Did Christ speak at all of homosexuality? Nothing in the 4 gospels mentions it. Who did? Paul.

"HUGE difference, if you take the time to do your research. Having a PHD from the Y I would think you might be a bit more informed."

This is a very mistaken assertion, that there is a "HUGE difference" between the doctrine of Christ and Paul. God said, "whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same" (D&C 1:38). So Paul's teaching on the matter, particularly because he was an influencial leader in the Christian movement, can be considered Christian teaching, and to Mormons, it is the doctrine of Christ. Besides, Paul wasn't the only early Christian leader that taught that homosexuality was sinful (see Jude 1:7; 2 Peter 2:6). Also, Christ did acknowledge that Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed principally for their sexual perversion (Jude 1:7), were wicked cities, for he compared them to the ungodly who will be burned at his Second Coming (Luke 17:28-30).
By why only consider ancient witnesses? Our modern prophet, Thomas S. Monson, has encouraged members of the Church and all others to stand up for the traditional family with Proposition 8. According to D&C 1:38, this is just as though Christ had asked us to do that very thing.
Oh, and what is the "real definition of 'Traditional Marriage'?" Why don't we look to the first marriage, ordained by God himself, and meant to be a prototype for all subsequent marriages: God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make an help meet for him," (Gen. 2:18;Moses 3:18)after which God made a woman, not another man for Adam to have homosexual relations with. The narrative continues, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh" (Gen. 2:24; Moses 3:24).